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Discussion: Should a Band with One Original Member Still Go By Their Original Name?

Posted: Sep 22, 2009

My Facebook page received some interesting comments today regarding the Lynyrd Skynyrd performance on the Tonight Show yesterday. For our first discussion question, I'd like to ask - Should a band with only one or two original members still perform under the original band name? Skynyrd, Marshall Tucker, Blackfoot and Molly Hatchet each have one or two originals. Even the Allman Brothers Band has only three. Also, what are your thoughts on these bands as they stand today? Please add your thoughts in the comments section below.

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Per our phone conversation... I liked it then and I like it now!!! "Well said my brother!!!!!"

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The short answer is "Sure, if they want to." But that makes a poor discussion. There are a lot of facets to this topic, some of which have already been touched on, but I'd like to expand on a couple. No 1. There is an enormous difference between playing music and working in the music business. Arguably nothing is more vexing to the creative spirit of the musical artist than the processes involved in making it profitable. Enter the Music Business Executive. There are a multitude of descriptive terms that are often applied to these individuals (liars, thieves, parasites, idiots, control freaks, bunglers, executive producers and dozens I cannot publish here), and on rare and heated occasions even to their faces. Not many are very flattering. Everyone who has ever signed a record deal has their own story. A good old fashioned shotgun wedding is a much more open, and honest affair. 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And for some of us, it was so intense we knew we had found something we wanted to do for the rest of our lives. Nobody knew what intellectual property was, or who owned it. Copyrights were confusing and publishing was a complete mystery. Nobody knew what a business plan was, or how to create one, and truthfully at that stage nobody needed one. If you played a gig and got paid anything at all, you split the money. I remember playing gigs where by the time we covered the gas and oil for the van, and paid the sound guy (imperative if you had somebody who could actually run a board), you were lucky if you could eat on the way home. But that was last week, so let's move forward. Seriously, it was all pretty low pressure, and more fun than anything else. The time spent on stage is still like that for almost every player I know. No matter how much some might bitch about this or that, very few musicians ever really want to quit playing, and most could care less what band name is on the marquis, as long as the music is cooking. INEVITABILITY OCCURS Back to the issue of what happens after the Music Biz guys come into the picture with contracts, recordings are made and sold, and lots of touring have all successfully created an identifiable "brand", and then unforeseen circumstances change everyone's reality. Sometimes it's simply a matter of one or more members making a decision to leave the band. This can happen for a variety of reasons. Maybe it's creative differences, maybe it's a power struggle, maybe it's an injury, or a thousand other reasons, but suddenly the band has changed, and regrettably, some will have regrets. But the show must go on, and if we are talking about a highly successful band, it doesn't take long. 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It's supposed to be that way Personally I just want to thank the ones who have suffered the incredible loss of their friends, and band mates, and had the gumption to keep on going, no matter how dark the road might seem each time one of those bright lights went out. Thanks for staying true to your calling. And I want to thank the guys who followed, and picked up the Standard, and carried on. Thanks for helping to keep the music, and the memories alive. If you earned the right to take the stage under the name of the band you played with, whether you were a founding member or hired on later, more power to you as long as you give it your all. Long live each and every generation and incarnation of Southern Rock, and teach it to your children. The show must go on.

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As long as a musician has a tune in him he needs to let it out. But it kinda reminds me of when when I was six. My Grandaddy took an old axe he had to the hardware store. One day he broke the handle out of it. We went to buy a new handle and he told me the axe had been in the family for well over 100 years. His Grandaddy bought it new and only had to replace the handle in it once. It was handed down to his Daddy and he had to replace the head before handing it down to him. Now he was having to replace the handle again. When did the axe become a totally different axe? Molly Hatchet, for instance, toured for several years with no founding members in the band. Other than the name, were they still Molly Hatchet? Could they have been classified as a "Hatchet Tribute Band"? I'm not taking anything away from the musicians in that version of Hatchet, they are good. Phil sounds a lot like DJB. But how could they really be Hatchet? In some message boards, I've heard the reincarnated Skynyrd refered to as "The Gary Rossington Revue". Now Doug and the boys are still turning out some great tunes as "Tucker" and I saw Blackfoot shortly after Jax passed and they ROCKED!!!! I saw the Brothers on the first tour they did with Derek, which was also the last with Dickey, and they ROCKED. "Krantz99"..... ZZ Top.... almost 40 years .... same 3 dudes.... ( though I did like them better in the early years ) rebyll

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It depends which members are still around. The Kinks went through probably 20 or 30 people over the years, but they were still really The Kinks as long as Dave and Ray stuck around, and they're just two guys.

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If the spirit and intent are there, I believe they should continue. For the most part, Skynyrd has not evolved due to creative differences but because members of the band passing on. Gary has earned this (even Ed King said so). It may not be the same but it still is fun and much better than the alternative which is for them to go away. Rock on Gary!!

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To me the Allmans are still the Allmans, so I believe Skynyrd is still Skynyrd. Same with any band. They evolve. Sometimes due to death. Sometimes other reasons. We are lucky to still have these bands around after all these many years. God bless them.

Tom Hampton says...

i posted this over on facebook, and i'll post it here as well, just to keep my perspective consistent: bands evolve over time, just like anything else. unfortunately, when you achieve the highest degree of success, people think that whatever state you're in at that point is "THE band" or "THE team" or whatever. and, on some level, i guess there's a degree of logic in that, because if that's the point that you reached the largest audience, then it could be argued that this was your best lineup, etc. i use the sports team analogy quite a bit. to say that the current lineup of MTB "isn't MTB" is like saying that the Yankees aren't the Yankees if it's not Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, et cetera. is it the same team? of course not. but it's still the Yankees. i'm lucky enough to know a lot of these folks personally, and let me tell you - life on the road is harder now for these guys than it's ever been. a lot of them fly out to dates, use rented gear, and suffer shitty mixes and crappy conditions to be able to continue to play for people. but resting on their laurels isn't an option. they play because, like me, they don't know how NOT to go out and play. and...again, to use MTB as an example - anyone who goes to hear the current lineup and hears Rick Willis play and then turns around and says they're not as good as the original group...well, they're just fooling themselves.

copperhead says...

They live on the road and play nightly. They bring us joy and rock us out. Keep on playing and the name remains the same. As travis tritt said I love to Jam with the Skynyrd Band

John Ryan says...

As long as there is one to carry the banner with honor and keep the music alive we should all be grateful. Peace!!!!

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I say yes because how can you take the life dream away from that band member?? They practice their ass off for years and years doing the club thing getting their name out there.A name they have always been proud of.I seen many a artist light up when fans say I saw you years ago at...It triggers a joy for the artist you cant match anywhere.So is that fan( we have all done it) following a name or a member? It doesnt matter..That member deserves to have the name,it means so much more to them than it does us. Most of these bands with one original are back doing the clubs and busting their ass again..Let them have their fun and fame..It's their passion.

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This has always caused lots of passionate debate particularly in the Skynyrd camps. It does strike me as quite odd with them considering the band never even made 2 studio albums in a row with the same lineup before the crash. So now Michael has been drumming in the band for 12 years. How long was Artimus stint? Nowhere near that long. Johnny has been singing 22 years and we still have this discussion? Ricky has been playing under the Skynyrd name for 13 years now and Ed King and Steve Gaines combined played for how many? Jeez, Carol Chase stint in the band lasts longer than Ed, Steve, Bob, Arti, Randall and Mike Estes combined. So guess what, no matter what internet goofballs want to say the public has already spoken on the matter. MTB might be a little more complicated since Doug is little more than the emcee of his own band now. Yet the public goes enough to keep the name alive. Yes, these have become brand names. So next time someone wants to beat up on U2 please remember, they are one of the only bands out there ever to play all their shows with the same guys that met and put a band together. Say what you will about Bono's ego but how many solo albums have Bono and the Edge put out? Other than them not too many band have a leg to stand on in this debate.

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To me it is not a question of how many members are original. i think it is is totally legitimate even if there is just one. Considering that LS (original band) was already gone, after the plane crash. Then came back, let the music live on, adding new material. It would have been deadly to stand on the old songs only. Times had changed, 10 years is a long time. It was a change then, as it is a change now. Time does not stop. The music has moved on over years, moving with time. It is a personal decision wether you like it or not. But to me it is not a question of how many originals are left.

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I think if the band has been decimated by attrition, then that name should live on as long as it's decided it do so y any remaining members. If a band breaks up, that's a different story. The name should be retired unless agreed upon by all members present and former. In the case of Skynyrd, it's a legendary band that has suffered loss throughout it's existence. I see no more reason to retire the name now than after the plane crash. Their new song writing days might be behind them, but new generations are coming to appreciate them more through their classics then anything. If ya still can rock, keep on rockin'.

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